The Professor and Heather Anne
Although we don't have all the answers, we hope we can encourage and excite you.
We're here sharing our lives to inspire you to make the most of the second half of your life.
Join us each week, my friends, where you're sure to get a smile -- from lessons learned to mishaps, the adventures go on for miles...here on The Professor and Heather Anne.
The Professor and Heather Anne
From UCLA To Black Tie: Reinventing Work, Home, And Homebuilding In Midlife
We trace the real work of reinvention: why retiring at 62 made sense, how business and academia collide, and what it takes to merge two lives, two careers, and two homes while planning a custom build. The theme is fit over status, and compromise as a daily practice.
• reasons for leaving academia and shifting identity
• cultural shocks between university life and real estate
• new roles at home, cooking, cleaning, and time blocks
• right-sizing, downsizing, and hiring organizers
• giving furniture to a single mom rebuilding life
• expanding careers into speaking, travel, and wellness
• buying land, rural plans, and learning small-scale homesteading
• using AI to research ducks, chickens, and setup
• custom home design choices, budgets, and accessibility
• the Lord of the Rings wedding and the signature front door
• choosing a forever home that supports aging in place
• core takeaway: find what works and keep compromising
Join us here each week, my friend, where you're sure to get a smile from lessons learned to mishaps, the adventures going on for miles here on The Professor and Heather Anne
I just want to be with you. I don't want to go take a trip somewhere. We did everything that I tell my clients not to do.
SPEAKER_03:It was like it was like planning a military operation.
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SPEAKER_03:Welcome to the Professor and Heather Anne. Although we don't have all the answers, we hope we can encourage and excite you. We're here sharing our lives to inspire you to make the most of the second half of your life.
SPEAKER_01:So what we're going to be talking about today is retirement, transitions, right sizing your life. We had to, when we combined our households, we had to right size. But one of the things that uh we I had to adjust to, I think you had to adjust to, is you were already retired when we first met.
SPEAKER_03:I was retired and you were still and are still working.
SPEAKER_01:I'm still working.
SPEAKER_03:So so I I decided, I I guess you could say I had the good fortune to be able to decide to retire. And I know that some people they just they can't, they have they have to keep working long after they wish they didn't have to work anymore. But I retired at the age of 62. And the reasons for that, so I was a professor at UCLA, and there was a lot about academia in general and UCLA and the department I was in in particular that finally made me realize that this just this was not the place for me anymore. So a lot of this was the political atmosphere. One of my colleagues uh he made some the research he'd done, he uh made it available and shared it with the with police departments, so he's working with police departments, and to many of my colleagues and grad students, this was unforgivable. And they mounted what you could basically call a a mob attack against him, and the rest of the department just sort of you know turned and looked the other way. And so that was one that was, I would say, the last straw. But there were a lot of things that had been bothering me. The um uh lowering of standards, so there were people being admitted to our graduate program who really just weren't qualified for grad school. There were a lot of, I guess what you could call participation trophies, um uh people uh who were uh granted uh granted degrees and other credentials who who didn't really merit them. Uh then there was um the what happened during the pandemic. So UCLA was the campus was closed for almost two years. So from March 2020 till yeah, February um 2022. So we were teaching on Zoom and a lot of other schools had already uh gone back to in-person teaching. And then when we finally did get back to in-person teaching, there was a large contingent of students who were resisting this. They insisted that being being required to come to class to take an exam, because I had discovered uh that that giving uh remote exams was was uh uh um completely completely unfeasible. The the uh uh basically any way that you could configure them, they were very vulnerable to cheating. So so a lot of the students uh thought I was endangering their health by requiring and you know, you know, everyone the vaccines were mandatory for all students and faculty. They'd all been vaccinated. Of course, almost all of them were young, healthy people, but there was about 20% of my students just went hysterical um uh in insisting that I was I was endangering their health. So so it were those were some of the things that led me to um, oh, and and and one more thing I should point out is that now, of course, this was this was 2021-2022 I'm talking about, but what happened at UCLA after um the October 7th attacks uh on what happened on campus was it was one of the worst schools in the country. There was an encampment, they blocked walkways, wouldn't let people pass unless they swore that they weren't Zionists. Some of my colleagues in my department were uh reportedly uh involved in the encampment. Um and uh the there was extensive vandalism to Royce Hall, which is a it's an almost 100-year-old building, which is sort of emblematic of UCLA. Like it's it's it's the the shape of the building is featured in the logo, and it was heavily graffitied. And none of this surprised me. So I had I had left more than a year before, but I could see it was it was headed in a direction that made all that, all those events like perfectly, perfectly expectable.
SPEAKER_01:But it did surprise me. So somebody who did not complete college, I I believe the American dream still is send your kids to college, they're going to get a degree, they're going to go out in the world and change the world. But one of the things we had to learn with each other was I am in the business world and have been for 40 years, you've been in academia for that along. And I was really just surprised the difference between our worlds. I thought I had this image in my head that professors sat around with their drink and drinking sherry. Yes, and they had patches on their uh coats, and I was very disappointed that you didn't have patches on your coats or your sweaters. And I I just was really surprised that this was happening, especially I grew up in California, so UCLA and USC is very revered schools. These are the schools you wanted to go to when you lived in California. So the reasons for you retiring were very uh shocking to me that this was what our academic world has come to. And just being a part of the academic world now has just really changed my mindset. And that needs to be a whole nother episode just about that. But with the change with me being shocked about how different our worlds were, what was it like for you to all of a sudden be thrown into the business world and my business?
SPEAKER_03:And one of the most shocking things was the time, the sense, the whole sense of time and deadlines. So in in the academic world, a deadline is something that might be months away. Okay, you know, we're expecting your you know, your revision of this paper or your review of someone else's manuscript, we're expecting it um in in February. Um, and then I discovered that in the real estate business, it's this this thing that needs to be done is expected in one hour. Uh and so uh and so there were times when, and this took some getting used to when you know we had planned something together and then it it it didn't it couldn't happen because uh uh because uh something came up.
SPEAKER_01:So I'm a mortgage lender, and people just do not buy houses between nine and five. So my job is not a nine to five job, it is the evenings, it is the weekends. A lot of times we'll be trying to get out the door or do something, but I have to take a call, I have to get somebody approved, I have to get an approval letter out. But also on top of that, it's all these events and networking and different things that I have to do as well. And one of the things that I don't think we talk about enough is we I basically changed your wardrobe when we started dating. Because in the business world, there's expectations, you had to wear suits for certain things, you had to be dressed a certain way, which I think was shocking to you as well, because we had talked about it before. You hadn't been in a world where your wife has to put on her hair and do her hair and put on her makeup and put dresses on and do all of that stuff. So it was it was our worlds could not be any different than what they were.
SPEAKER_03:So she let me keep my sweater vests, which were I considered part of part of my professor outfit.
SPEAKER_01:But I hardly I like the sweater vests.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:But it still seems like it's very unusual that I actually give me permission to wear them. They're in the closet still. Most of my most of my wardrobe, yes, has it's gone.
SPEAKER_01:It's uh you only have a few things left. But you look really good in suits.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, well. You like wearing the suits now.
SPEAKER_01:I like wearing the suits, but you choose the suits for me, so so we one of the things we had that we had to learn about was that there are days that I could leave the house at nine o'clock and not come home until nine o'clock because I'm doing events, I'm visiting, I'm you know, whatever is needed, which is another thing that you weren't used to. So how I don't know if we really necessarily talked about how we would combine these.
SPEAKER_03:You know, you know, we we didn't.
SPEAKER_01:I think we just settled into something that works for us.
SPEAKER_03:So would you say that I'm basically a house husband?
SPEAKER_01:You are a house husband. Ladies, he does all the cooking for all of our meals, and I am very thankful for that because after almost 30 years of always being the cook, it's very nice. And he is a great cook.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, thank you.
SPEAKER_01:And it's been very nice, and he cleans up the kitchen and stuff, but I I think we just I don't think we really it was not something. I think we just fell into this. I am more particular about cleaning and how things are done. And that comes from my childhood because I was forced into child labor. No, it wasn't that, it was not that bad. But I was forced to, you know, I had to learn things as a child. I had to learn how to make the corners on the bed. I if something wasn't clean properly, even at five years old, I had to go back and clean it again. So I am more particular about how I like the house to be clean. So I do a lot more of the cleaning, the dirty jobs. I call them the dirty jobs. I do more of the dirty jobs.
SPEAKER_03:I think I do sort of the superficial cleaning, and then when like there's serious cleaning, that's for you to do.
SPEAKER_01:So we but I don't, yeah, we don't we didn't really discuss it. We just fell into what works for us.
SPEAKER_03:So you mostly work from home.
SPEAKER_01:I do. I have several days a week that I'm out of the house because I have to go make calls and do things. You're home more, but you're not just sitting at home watching TV. You're in fact, you don't even like watching TV. You still do research.
SPEAKER_03:So, yeah, so that's that's an important point is that uh the research part of being a professor is, and I think almost all professors would agree on this, that's fun. Uh, and it's so much fun that uh that you'll can continue doing it even after even after retirement. In fact, it's kind of a joke, but it's one of those things that's a joke, but it's not really a joke that goes uh um, well, now that I've retired, I can finally get some work done.
SPEAKER_01:Because you get to do research, and you actually have people call and ask you to do research with them. You're you're doing several research projects now.
SPEAKER_03:I have yeah, I have collaborations. Uh I'm I've been asked to be on, and I've served on on graduate students' committees uh as an external member. There's uh a lab group at Oklahoma State that I still uh so when I first moved from Los Angeles to Stillwater, I would attend that group in person. Now I attend it on Zoom, but it's it it's a kind of it's an academic community for me.
SPEAKER_01:So and then you go to several conferences a year. So there's so you're still involved even though you're retired, but you have you play the recorder, you read a lot. So and you he ladies literally he cooks about all of our meals, like breakfast, lunch, dinner, and even makes like my protein balls for me.
SPEAKER_03:And yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So a lot of time is spent just feeding us.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, well, I do all the grocery shopping.
SPEAKER_01:And you do all the grocery shopping. And it's a good thing that he feeds us, because if he didn't, I wouldn't eat, basically.
SPEAKER_03:So you have trouble sticking to a three-meal-a-day schedule or even a two-meal-a day schedule.
SPEAKER_01:Sometimes going because I get so involved and I just don't think about eating, so um one of the things that was hard um and I don't think a lot of people talk about is combining the households. So when we uh we got engaged, an opportunity came up to go ahead and uh buy a house even before we got married. We decided to go ahead and buy the house, partly because I was doing part-time in Stillwater, part-time in Tulsa. It was affecting my business and I needed to be more uh in Tulsa all the time. So it was decided Stillwater was never an option for me to move to, but we decided that yes, we're gonna move here. We wound up buying a house, moving in. My great organization skills came into play.
SPEAKER_03:It was like it was like planning a military operation.
SPEAKER_01:Because we had three moving trucks, we had the truck from Stillwater, we had the truck from where I was, and then a lot of my stuff was in storage. So we I had to coordinate all three of those trucks, then we bought furniture of uh because we both uh I I went ahead and got rid of some of my furniture.
SPEAKER_03:I made you get rid of so I had moved from Los Angeles to Stillwater with with not one stick of furniture. And in Stillwater, I bought a whole house, house full of furniture, and uh with an emphasis on antiques. So I had this got this bought this antique um bed and uh and uh dining room set. And but then yes, when we when we moved in together, uh so only enough space for you know one house full of furniture, and so yes, my um almost all my furniture was gotten rid of.
SPEAKER_01:We kept some of mine, and we did keep some of yours, but we also got new furniture that was ours to make it more of it's our house together.
SPEAKER_03:I think this was important psychologically, like you know, so neither of us felt like we were moving into the other one's house. Instead, we felt like this is our house.
SPEAKER_01:This is our house, and we needed to make it our house, and we did everything that I tell my clients not to do. We signed the contract and we immediately went and bought furniture. And I'm we're standing at the furniture store and we're trying, we're like, we've only been in this house a little, but we haven't even been in this house, we've only been in it a few times when we were looking at it to buy it, but we're gonna buy furniture for this house. And I'm standing there going, we're not supposed to be doing this. What I tell my clients all the time, you do not buy furniture, do not buy new cars, do not do anything when you're purchasing a home. But there we were. Um, but it were it worked for us. It also worked, not going to lie. I had help. I hired we hired people to come in, as um organizers to come in and help. Because the biggest problem we have is both of us downsized. So the house that I had and sold, I had downsized. Your house was bigger and still water than this house is. So we had to make everything fit.
SPEAKER_02:Well, for a few weeks, the garage was was like a warehouse, a warehouse, a discount.
SPEAKER_01:But they were amazing on everything that we had two of. They helped organize and put put our kitchen together and closet together. But I do want to say that so for my furniture, I think I just kind of gave it away, which was fine for your furniture. Uh, because we had to bring that from Stillwater. Right. Because we didn't have the time or be able to sell your house your furniture and still water. Um, we went ahead and brought all your furniture, so we brought your whole house, all everything.
SPEAKER_03:And and gave away so most of my furniture we gave to someone in in need.
SPEAKER_01:We a single mom who had gotten out of a domestic violence situation. We were able to give that away. And I I cannot stress enough how that was amazing because that I do a lot in domestic violence awareness. I talk about my childhood, talk about the trauma for my family, and I have been very fortunate to be able to help several single moms who got out of that situation become homeowners and restart their life. So being able to do that um was really amazing. And you didn't even, when I asked you, this is what my idea is, you didn't even, you were just like, Yes, no, this could do it.
SPEAKER_03:This totally felt like the right thing to do.
SPEAKER_01:Um that's been part of our transitioning is really supporting each other, and you've been very supportive. I'm have several businesses.
SPEAKER_03:So, yeah, well, yeah, one talk about talk about how your work world is is changing.
SPEAKER_01:So, in a few years, it's quite quite, you know, several years away, but I've been fortunate enough to be in the real estate business for 40 years, almost 40 years, and almost 30 of that is mortgages. And it's just the it's been opportunity since we've been together to be able to transition into that and be able to, you know, I uh do I do speaking, I talk about hope and how hope can change your life. I talk about domestic violence and child abuse and different all different types of uh genres, and then I decided why not become a travel agent? Because we travel a lot and why not make money on us traveling and then do stuff in the health, uh, health and wellness stuff as well. And you've just been very supportive in that, and it's been amazing. So but also I think what's been amazing is that you just come along. You've you have been thrown, like I was thrown into the academic world, you've been thrown into the business world.
SPEAKER_03:I do things like sometimes she'll be having an event that involves feeding, yeah, feeding people, yeah, feeding a bunch of real estate agents. And so sometimes it's my job to like uh go to the restaurant where and pick up all the food and deliver it to the event. Um so and there have been there have been these uh you know very formal events of these associations uh that you've attended and brought me along. So black black tie, yeah. As a professor, I'd never been to a black tie event.
SPEAKER_01:But uh so a couple of we've been in our house now two years, exactly two years. And another transition that's happening for us is an opportunity came up and we bought some land, and now we're building a house because we're not doing enough in our lives. So we thought, why not build a custom home? And so that's a been a big transition for us as well.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we'll we'll have an entire episode just about this uh at some point. Uh but uh yes, we are we're leaving suburbia for to live in a rural area.
SPEAKER_01:And we plan on growing things, we plan on having some chickens and different things. Um so heading more towards retirement for me, again, that's still a few years away, but getting prepared for what that's going to be because I've it and again, it's a little scary for me because I have this is I've been very fortunate to be in this career my whole adult life, and it and I've been very fortunate with the amazing people I've met in this business, the amazing people I've been able to help. Not only do I help single moms, which is one of my biggest passion and becoming homeowners, but I've been fortunate enough to help celebrities and professional athletes. Um, I've been able to take a lot of clients and become friends. So it is a little scary for me to transition that way.
SPEAKER_03:It feels like stepping into the unknown.
SPEAKER_01:It is a little, it's very it's quite a bit scary actually. But then there's times that I'm still it's with you being retired, it's hard to I don't necessarily want to work someday. I just want to be with you and want to go take a trip somewhere. So it's gonna be a whole different life. Living on some land. It's only an acre and a half, but it's ours, it's surrounded by trees. We'll be transitioning our life again.
SPEAKER_03:So uh did you say recently you read somewhere about you should introduce just when you're when you're doing this, you should introduce just one kind of animal. What was it per year?
SPEAKER_01:Oh yes, one one animal per year. So it is not recommended as much as I want to just go get some chickens and ducks and goats. And maybe what is it? You want a donkey.
SPEAKER_03:I'm not entirely serious about that.
SPEAKER_01:But I think you seriously I think you I I think you are serious about the donkey, and you really want the donkey. And we're gonna name him Jose.
SPEAKER_03:But you know, uh and again, this is something I'm sure we'll explore in future episodes, but the the uses of uh artificial intelligence, and I'm pretty wary of it. Um but one thing, one area where I think is really helpful is something like this, where we start from a position of almost complete ignorance, right? So, you know, I I know nothing about raising chickens.
SPEAKER_01:And I don't know anything about chickens either.
SPEAKER_03:And so that would, I think this is the sort of thing where you could, I mean, you'd have to, you know, check out the answers you got, but um, you know, you could ask, so here I am, here I am, here's my location, here's my my longitude and latitude, and um uh and so what you know what what what breed of chicken would be best, and you know, just how do you take care of them?
SPEAKER_01:Uh it's the sort of thing where and we were told that ducks are easier to take care of than chickens.
SPEAKER_03:In some ways.
SPEAKER_01:And in some ways, and I do like the idea of getting duck eggs. We've had them, they're amazing. If you haven't tried duck eggs, you need to try them. And I like the idea of ducks because my younger son is allergic to chickens, to eggs, regular eggs.
SPEAKER_03:So, but yes, so you might be selling duck eggs from from home. Yes.
SPEAKER_01:That could be one of the little stand out in front, and people come and bake some stuff. I don't know why, but that really appeals to me, having the little site, the little stand and bait stuff, eggs, and yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It's where we're moving to, it's it's it's that kind of place.
SPEAKER_01:And who would have thought two people from California go buy some land.
SPEAKER_03:Two people from cities in California.
SPEAKER_01:Cities in California. We did not grow up on farms.
SPEAKER_03:No, I I didn't, you know, I I spent most of my career studying monkeys, but as I have to admit, as a child, I didn't like animals very much. I'm not one of those people who, you know, oh, I always like looking at the animals in the zoo, and then I grew up and studied them. That's not what happened. Uh I was drawn into studying animals by theoretical questions. And then I and then I got to like it.
SPEAKER_01:But but you are aware how much I love animals.
SPEAKER_03:Uh yes.
SPEAKER_01:That's gonna be very hard. Cats and dogs and donkeys and the miniature cows. I showed you that video with the little miniature horse.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, the miniature horse, yes.
SPEAKER_01:So and the goats, especially the fainting goats. It's going to uh be a lot of fun. But I do have to ask you, because we actually really haven't talked about this much. So we have designed a house, custom house for us. How is that pro this is my business, this is my world. Um how has that process been? We we have finalized with our architect how the house is, the elevation of the front, the back, the sides, the layout of the house, the square footage, all of that. How has that process been for you?
SPEAKER_03:It it has been it has been remarkably rewarding. It's been challenging at times, too, but the just as a kind of creative, as a creative endeavor, uh and so starting with uh house plans just that you find on the internet, you know, that other people have used, and then sort of like taking the best aspects of different plans and putting it all together. And then um and then dealing with the practicalities and so what things are gonna work, what things have to be changed, and then the the of course the financial constraints. So and this is something which so I'm it's very it's it's very reassuring to be involved to be doing involved in this endeavor with someone for whom this is their business. Uh so uh you know how how well how much is how much is this going to cost? And uh what you know what what things can be um can be can be taken out. And so and what yeah, what we've ended up with is is is I'm I'm I'm very happy with it. And so yeah, it was it was both it was sort of both a creative experience and a and a practical practical experience to and we had a we have a wonderful architect too. I guess we'll we'll maybe we'll talk about that in another episode. Um yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But it's gone very well. So again, it's all transition. You know, we we transition from dating to be engaged to be married, you're retired, we're trying to, you know, I'm still very involved in business. And now I'm starting some other businesses and um even another business endeavor that will uh come about next year. Um that we've already gone through quite a bit in the three years that we've been together. We travel well. Not only did our first trip, but we traveled to Europe for two weeks. And now we're building a first we b bought a house, transitioned into that, now we're building a house. These are all stressors that normal marriages, even long-term marriage, it's hard because they don't see the same idea. I see it all the time in my business where a lot of couples will fight um about the house that they want to buy or the house they want to build.
SPEAKER_03:But it's we've been very lucky that it's actually I I think I think it's it's been very good for our marriage that we're doing all these new things together.
SPEAKER_01:It it is sort of because it's things that we'd never had done before. I'd been I've built houses before, but I'd never built a custom home before. So I, you know, had owned several homes before, you had only owned one home before. So it it is, it feels like it's something new that neither one of us have gone through. Um it's it's it's kind of a little frustrating because when I ask you about the, you know, like, do you like this elevation or you like this elevation? And you're like, looks the same to me. I don't know what the difference is. And I've had to be pointed. Do you see this roof line instead of this one?
SPEAKER_03:I need a 3D model, I'll say. I need the drone's eye view of this.
SPEAKER_01:To see if I really like it or not.
SPEAKER_03:But so but it has mostly been very very exciting. Yeah, and so like the sense it gives us a sense that yes, we're we're we've been on adventures, we have more adventures ahead of us.
SPEAKER_01:I think that's the thing, is it's it's very exciting to know that we have a lot more adventures ahead of us. And I really feel like whatever comes our way, we we really have connected um very differently than I was connected in my previous marriage. I just feel like we we don't necessarily talk about all the different transitions that we've been through, but we seem to just figure out what works for us. And I think that's the main takeaway from this today is you just have to find what works for you and in your relationship and be willing to compromise because I think when you're younger, you're not willing to compromise as much as you are so when you're older.
SPEAKER_02:Should we talk about the door?
SPEAKER_01:Ladies, I knew I was really in love with this man. I knew I was in love with him and I was gonna marry him, and we bought a house. But it really all started with last year in the beginning of 24, we decided uh we had to start planning for the wedding because we knew we were getting married in June. Um, so I had to start planning. Well, this is not my I'm a numbers person. So planning a wedding was not out of my wheelhouse, scared me to death. I tried to convince him, let's just go get married on a beach somewhere, have our kids there, family, you know, real close family, close friends, but you really wanted a transit uh traditional wedding.
SPEAKER_03:Traditional wedding.
SPEAKER_01:So we start talking and everything, and I don't know how it came about, but one day you said I wanted a Lord of the Rings themed wedding. And I was like, what? What are you talking about? So I started doing research, and I knew I really loved him because I agreed to a Lord of the Rings wedding theme, and it turned out fabulous, and and um all of our guests were just even to this day, they just talk about it, and it's so nice that they just really enjoyed themselves, and we really um had a fabulous wedding.
SPEAKER_03:The people who did the decorations were they they could see the vision and made it real.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, they we were very fortunate and can never say enough great things about them. We actually had our archite our landscapers decorate our because they came in and did our yard for us, we loved what they listened to us, and I was just joking around one day, hey, you should do our wedding, and they're like, sure, because I didn't want a lot of flowers. We had a lot of plants, plants that people our guests can take, right? Plants that actually went into our yard. I wanted something that could be reused and not just thrown away, and so that was very important. But the whole point of that story is the door of this house we're building.
SPEAKER_03:It's uh this company, they do these, make these hand-carved wooden doors. And uh there's a whole well, there's a lot of different designs they'll do, but one of the one of the ones that they that's like one of their standards is it's a door that's based on the uh the gateway to the mines of Moria, so the the doors of Durin uh in Lord of the Rings. And you know, Heather is showing me these, you know, here's how look at what this company can do. And I look at it and I say, that's it. I want that one. And um it's uh it's rather it's rather pricey.
SPEAKER_01:And even though I am not, I I am a very avid reader, I read a lot, read a lot of different genres and stuff, I have not read, and I'm sorry to offend anybody out there, I have not read the Harry Potter books, and I have not read any Lord of the Rings. I've seen one Harry Potter book because my older son loves Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, and you guys have the same, you like the same stuff. So uh, but we'll be talking more about that. But it's uh the door.
SPEAKER_03:It's a it's like the centerpiece of the whole house. The house is built around a door.
SPEAKER_01:More of tr more of transitions and compromise, and ladies, all the ladies out there knowing that uh compromising to have things in the house that you want that are going to make you excited that this is our house. This is this is something we're building together.
unknown:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:So hey, we're we have gosh, we've talked about retirement, we've talked about the transitions of transitioning our lives together and in and um bringing them together, uh merging two lives together, transitioning into our current home, and then we'll be transit transitioning into our next home. So that making sure that we're right sizing our lives. Um, one of the reasons for the house is this is this is our forever home.
SPEAKER_03:So we're not moving again.
SPEAKER_01:We're not moving again. We're making sure that we can age into this house. We have so many exciting discussions coming up, including guests. We are lining up some guests that'll be coming on. I'm really excited about that. We can't wait to have you along for new episodes. So join us here each week, my friend, where you're sure to get a smile from lessons learned to mishaps, the adventures going on for miles here on The Professor and Heather Anne.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you for listening to The Professor and Heather Anne.
